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		<title>By: Alleba Politics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GRP - MILF to Sign Memorandum of Agreement</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-4458</link>
		<dc:creator>Alleba Politics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GRP - MILF to Sign Memorandum of Agreement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more information and analysis on the agreement, visit these links: Peace in our Time by MLQ3 Solving Mindanao by Angela Stuart-Santiago The Unexplained MILF Pact Signing Posponement and The SC TRO by Ding [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more information and analysis on the agreement, visit these links: Peace in our Time by MLQ3 Solving Mindanao by Angela Stuart-Santiago The Unexplained MILF Pact Signing Posponement and The SC TRO by Ding [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#62;</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-3346</link>
		<dc:creator>&#62;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we cannot look on the scenario of Timor Leste-Indonesia and of the YUgoslavia complexes. this talks on our cultural identity. who actually wanted the autonomy? was it our Muslim brothers or was it their leaders, as a singularity. this is more on religious context, and after, all other possible grounds branched just to support this stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we cannot look on the scenario of Timor Leste-Indonesia and of the YUgoslavia complexes. this talks on our cultural identity. who actually wanted the autonomy? was it our Muslim brothers or was it their leaders, as a singularity. this is more on religious context, and after, all other possible grounds branched just to support this stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Current &#187; Peace in our time?</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator>Current &#187; Peace in our time?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for now, this blog entry in stuart-santiago, asks why should it even be that outright independence for Muslim areas isn&#8217;t a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for now, this blog entry in stuart-santiago, asks why should it even be that outright independence for Muslim areas isn&#8217;t a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel L. Quezon III</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-3054</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel L. Quezon III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for now, this blog entry in stuart-santiago, asks why should it even be that outright independence for Muslim areas isn&#8217;t a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for now, this blog entry in stuart-santiago, asks why should it even be that outright independence for Muslim areas isn&#8217;t a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pedestrian Observer GB</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-3047</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedestrian Observer GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting so if we go all the way back we might as well address the issue of enconmienda and demand the return of our ancestral domains land grabbed from us converted Christian Tagalogs, Visaya, Ilocanos, etc...... guess who gets hit, the Tuazon-Arroyo&#039;s, Zobel etc... ang gulo talaga but then again that&#039;s how it is in the land of cheats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting so if we go all the way back we might as well address the issue of enconmienda and demand the return of our ancestral domains land grabbed from us converted Christian Tagalogs, Visaya, Ilocanos, etc&#8230;&#8230; guess who gets hit, the Tuazon-Arroyo&#8217;s, Zobel etc&#8230; ang gulo talaga but then again that&#8217;s how it is in the land of cheats.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB Rizalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB Rizalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela,
If we were to adopt your point of view, we would necessarily be fostering a condition of incessant war, (which may explain a lot of things by the way.) 

For consider the stark reality: there are 110 IPs/ICCs.  Are their rights to ancestral lands and domains not equal in some fundamental sense of Justice as Fairness?  If the govt gives in to the ransom demands of an armed group like the MILF, what is to stop one of the other 109 IPs/ICCs from organizing their own armed gang of thugs to enforce their rights under the IPRA Law?

How can the government claim to be undertaking a &quot;Final&quot; Peace Agreement with the MILF, and even have many in &quot;Civil Society&quot; support and demand it, when it is not actually settling the same claims and rights as the 109 other IPs not represented in the Mindanao Peace Talks at all? 

Check out the&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mindanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=4846&amp;Itemid=95&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; State of the Indigenous Peoples Address&lt;/a&gt;

I think all these IPs/ICCs are much better off seeking a universal or omnibus solution under the democratic mechanisms available to all Filipinos, indigenous or not.

Finally, we cannot be so obtuse as to deny the existence of the elephant in the room: the very concept and proposition that Tagalogs, Pampangos, Ilocanos, Cebuanos, et al, are NOT indigenous peoples,  is puissantly absurd, in the league of the-emperor-has-no-clothes absurd. But it is the logical conclusion to SCORP&#039;s reasoning in Cruz vs IPs. 

Puno divides the Filipino citizenry neatly into two distinct classes, with one rather privileged group of &quot;indigenous peoples&quot; being accorded one-third of the Philippine territory as their &lt;b&gt;ancestral private property&lt;/b&gt; (according to Panganiban&#039;s estimate.)

The basis of this rank ethno-religious discrimination is the alleged behavior of their &lt;b&gt;ancestors&lt;/b&gt;, mainly that they refused to engage in a culture of incessant fighting off of invaders, but rather, they sought succor and protection from those very &quot;invaders&quot; who happened to have been also fighting off the same oddly familiar Moros even on the other side of the world. 

Just imagine.  Acts of religious conversion by our great grand ancestors are visited upon us today as inheritable sins, the punishment for which is &quot;no ancestral lands and domains for you, Catholics!&quot;  Just as if there were no Bill of Rights!

There is no end to the reductio ad absurdum that can be applied to the whole IPs/ancestral domain ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela,<br />
If we were to adopt your point of view, we would necessarily be fostering a condition of incessant war, (which may explain a lot of things by the way.) </p>
<p>For consider the stark reality: there are 110 IPs/ICCs.  Are their rights to ancestral lands and domains not equal in some fundamental sense of Justice as Fairness?  If the govt gives in to the ransom demands of an armed group like the MILF, what is to stop one of the other 109 IPs/ICCs from organizing their own armed gang of thugs to enforce their rights under the IPRA Law?</p>
<p>How can the government claim to be undertaking a &#8220;Final&#8221; Peace Agreement with the MILF, and even have many in &#8220;Civil Society&#8221; support and demand it, when it is not actually settling the same claims and rights as the 109 other IPs not represented in the Mindanao Peace Talks at all? </p>
<p>Check out the<a href="http://www.mindanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=4846&amp;Itemid=95" rel="nofollow"> State of the Indigenous Peoples Address</a></p>
<p>I think all these IPs/ICCs are much better off seeking a universal or omnibus solution under the democratic mechanisms available to all Filipinos, indigenous or not.</p>
<p>Finally, we cannot be so obtuse as to deny the existence of the elephant in the room: the very concept and proposition that Tagalogs, Pampangos, Ilocanos, Cebuanos, et al, are NOT indigenous peoples,  is puissantly absurd, in the league of the-emperor-has-no-clothes absurd. But it is the logical conclusion to SCORP&#8217;s reasoning in Cruz vs IPs. </p>
<p>Puno divides the Filipino citizenry neatly into two distinct classes, with one rather privileged group of &#8220;indigenous peoples&#8221; being accorded one-third of the Philippine territory as their <b>ancestral private property</b> (according to Panganiban&#8217;s estimate.)</p>
<p>The basis of this rank ethno-religious discrimination is the alleged behavior of their <b>ancestors</b>, mainly that they refused to engage in a culture of incessant fighting off of invaders, but rather, they sought succor and protection from those very &#8220;invaders&#8221; who happened to have been also fighting off the same oddly familiar Moros even on the other side of the world. </p>
<p>Just imagine.  Acts of religious conversion by our great grand ancestors are visited upon us today as inheritable sins, the punishment for which is &#8220;no ancestral lands and domains for you, Catholics!&#8221;  Just as if there were no Bill of Rights!</p>
<p>There is no end to the reductio ad absurdum that can be applied to the whole IPs/ancestral domain ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB Rizalist</title>
		<link>http://www.stuartsantiago.com/solving-mindanao/#comment-3034</link>
		<dc:creator>DJB Rizalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...it is because the tagalogs pampangos cebuanos ilokanos largely went along with and were therefore accommodated by the colonizers, unlike the moros of mindanao who through spanish times never stopped fighting the invaders and mostly kept them away from mindanao.&quot;

Correction, Angela: you must mean the &lt;b&gt;ancestors&lt;/b&gt; of the Tagalogs, Pampangos, cebuanos, ilokanos, etc. The sins of the forefathers visited upon his progeny?

And how do we know what your ancestors did, or my ancestors did with respect to resisting the Spanish colonial aggressors?  How do we know that your ancestors and mine did not engage in incessant fighting against the Spanish invaders.  And surely, not ALL  the Moros engaged in such continuous resistance to keep the Spanish imperialists out of Mindanao. As well, not all Christians &quot;largely went along&quot; with Christianization. 

I would say the vast majority of the tagalogs, pampangos, cebuanos, et al were born into the world and they discovered they had long ago been baptized Catholics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it is because the tagalogs pampangos cebuanos ilokanos largely went along with and were therefore accommodated by the colonizers, unlike the moros of mindanao who through spanish times never stopped fighting the invaders and mostly kept them away from mindanao.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correction, Angela: you must mean the <b>ancestors</b> of the Tagalogs, Pampangos, cebuanos, ilokanos, etc. The sins of the forefathers visited upon his progeny?</p>
<p>And how do we know what your ancestors did, or my ancestors did with respect to resisting the Spanish colonial aggressors?  How do we know that your ancestors and mine did not engage in incessant fighting against the Spanish invaders.  And surely, not ALL  the Moros engaged in such continuous resistance to keep the Spanish imperialists out of Mindanao. As well, not all Christians &#8220;largely went along&#8221; with Christianization. </p>
<p>I would say the vast majority of the tagalogs, pampangos, cebuanos, et al were born into the world and they discovered they had long ago been baptized Catholics!</p>
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