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1. jun on June 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am

   we romanticize too much, the situation of the poor. that is why the poor will always be poor and the rich always rich.

   I have this crazy idea that it is actually the rich who is feeding poor the crazy notion that being poor is the fault of no one save the government.

   To be or not to be – being poor is a choice. Poor can be a temporary condition, indolence is not.

2. GabbyD on June 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am

   i gotta ask, why are the rich, wealthy?

3. satur sulit on June 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

   @gabbyd: the quick answer is because they know how and have the capital, which locks out 90% of the people from the word go.

   a more tedious answer has to do with how our country is locked into a colonial system that promotes and aggrandizes the accumulation of private wealth rather than of public wealth, giving rise to the rich-poor divide

4. GabbyD on June 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am

   @satur

   so, to quote your poem “they don’t deserve it” even tho they “know how” and “have the capital”?

   but if they know stuff and have capital, then they do deserve it, right?

   what do you mean by “deserve it”?

5. satur sulit on June 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

   hehe, down to the nity gritty, eh.

   in three words, “level playing field”

   any wealth (power, office…) not derived from a level playing field is undeserved.

6. jojie umali-riyadh on June 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

   To gabby: The law of average says “property begets property” so the rich gets richer, accumulating private wealth gravitating to the center of power. as to public wealth or the wealthof nation, God has blessed our country with rich natural and human resources. The only problem is that “the means of production and the rewards of labor” are all not evenly or socially distributed by Western standardseven though we are a “Christianized” country. Thats why God has allow government to exist and regulate man’s inhumanity to humanity for human progress and social upliftment. If govt is a sham, its people is a sham. If you do not care for the rights of your neighbor, you have no right to demand for yourself.

7. GabbyD on June 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

   @satur

   yeah, nitty gritty :) i’m just confused by the poem. i am also confused at the concept of level playing field. i guess you mean equal opportunities. but i can’t shake the thought that what u really mean is equal outcomes.

   if its equal opportunities thats what you mean, then you have to admit that there ARE rich people who are very talented and have succeeded by hard work, skill, talent, lakas ng loob, etc. i mean, those guys do exist right?

   @jojie
   ah, good point! you’ve just stumbled on the key question: how should the “rewards of labor” be determined? why should it be “socially determined”? if its socially determined (i’m not sure what that means, sorry), what does that mean for increases in productivity?

   these are big questions friend. mahirap sagutin…

8. satur sulit on June 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

   yes of course. the indictment is not of honest effort and hard-earned money, but of the structure of money, as it is, that rewards also dishonest effort and accumulates riches in the hands of idle, spoiled often brainless heirs whose sport it is to run for public office etc etc…while the poor honest hardworker scrapes up for his family’s next meal… it confuses me also… (back in a few weeks)

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